The Gaming Laptop Trap

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Review of the Acer Triton 300 SE, Asus Dash F15 and the MSI Stealth 15M performance using the Intel H35 chips. As well as a discussion of Intel vs AMD gaming laptops right now.
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  1. Dave2D
    2 hónapja

    Intel's gaming laptop stuff ain't it right now

    1. Richard Cagle
      Richard Cagle
      4 napja

      @Melchizedek V those last two I’m a different league than the first. If that’s really your short list I’d say you can at least drop the first two. Personally I think the tuff is best, but I’ve done very little research into it

    2. Melchizedek V
      Melchizedek V
      4 napja

      What if I had to choose between asus rog zephyrus g14 ryzen 7 4800hs rtx 1650 asus rog zephyrus g14 ryzen 7 4800hs rtx 1660ti ASUS ROG Zephyrus G14, 14" QHD, Ryzen 9 4900HS, RTX 2060 And ASUS TUF Dash F15 -2021 Which one should I choose Can someone help out here

    3. Richard Cagle
      Richard Cagle
      6 napja

      @quirkychic1984 it does, but you’ll have to get them to price match as the Best Buy one is like $100 less for the same specs. They will, just more work for you. I’m quitting early today so I can go home an play with it 😂

    4. quirkychic1984
      6 napja

      @Richard Cagle I just checked it out at Best Buy and I'm sold! The Lunar White is gorgeous, I love the soft touch feel, the mouse pad, number key along with the specs but I'll buy direct from Dell. Best Buy customer service sucks lol.

    5. Richard Cagle
      Richard Cagle
      6 napja

      @quirkychic1984 welp. It blew the fuses in my truck to my 12v supply in seconds so I’ll have to test it more once I get home. That said, it’s the sexiest damn chunk of magnesium I’ve ever held. Makes msi competition look like a plastic toy in comparison. The strix scar is close, but it beats that too. Keyboard is amazing, speakers are surprisingly awesome. Gonna load up outriders when I get home an stretch it’s legs a bit. Maybe see how it handles cyberpunk for luls and I’ll update sometime after that.

  2. Games R Us
    Games R Us
    3 órája

    This is why we come to you for advice

  3. Nao224
    10 órája

    I never understood the point of gaming laptops. The biggest drawing point of gaming pcs for me it's the modularity. You can "freely" upgrade your pc in steps and keep it relevant. Gaming laptops are more like consoles in that regard, and in that case a console is a much more cost efficient purchase. Unless you travel a whole ton I don't see the point

  4. Haruka Zeker
    Haruka Zeker
    18 órája

    A month before you uploaded this video I've already experienced this. Long story short, Best Buy left my country by 31 of December of past year so they had an HUGE sale all over the country so because I wanted to update my 840 G1 I went to see what were selling and I found an A15 TUF (the metallic one with the 2060 and the ryzen 7 4th gen), because I didn't had all the money at the moment I left half paid in order to go to the ATM and paid all the money left and go out (it happened a problem with the card and I decided to better go straight to the ATM), to my surprise when I came back the casher had already sold the A15 and offered me an G512li-cherry with an i5 10th gen and an 1650Ti plus some gift card money, I didn't mind much at the moment because I used the gift card money for some Christmas gifts but the more I thought about it I regret it to purchase the G512li, it's not bad but the price it's horrible considering the A15 has a better CPU and an RTX GPU. If you are thinking of purchasing any laptop most of the time you are way better with AMD than Intel, I'm the only one that has an Intel in my house and everyone spended the same amount and yet I'm the one with the worst CPU, yeah it has some nice aesthetics (I love the ROG theme in purple) yet it's not worthy to pay the same as an way better system.

  5. Nix 41
    Nix 41
    18 órája

    Quadcore cpus are obsolete. They’re only good for esports and 720p gaming

  6. TheVaLioN
    19 órája

    I love how I watched this just a day after I bought the same dash f15 in the video

  7. James Martin
    James Martin
    20 órája

    Intels running laptop ads on this video 🧐

  8. Cursed Khien
    Cursed Khien

    Any "gaming" laptop that has any 1650 is a immediate trap, doesn't matter what kind. You will hate yourself indefinitely for paying upwards of $900 for 30fps in all your games on the lowest settings. I've noticed all these Intel traps just use the 1650.

  9. Mitesh Mahto
    Mitesh Mahto

    I am from india and we only have one online laptop shopping site for asus. they're pushing us to select either gtx series laptops in 2021 at around 900$ and then directly pick this dash f15 at around 1800$ it's like they're forcing buyers to either pick highly priced laptops or pick the ones which no one actually needs. gtx 1650, gtx1660 u name those. these laptops are always available in stock. no rtx 20 series available in stock ever. I wonder when they'll stop this greediness

  10. Jason Ficcone
    Jason Ficcone

    Of course it makes sense, from a market share standpoint. No body produces 4 or 6 cores if they can produce 8 cores. All they produce is 8 cores. Some of those 8 cores will have cores that fail testing in some way and will be binned down to 6 core or 4 core or core clock rate. Or Intel will need to fill a certain amount of 4 and 6 core orders and will bin down that amount of 8 core chips that fully passed testing. The cost for them doesn't change. But the price does change for the OEM/builder/consumer.

  11. Melissah B
    Melissah B

    Dave: it's not worth it. They're not good enough for the price. Great aesthetics, subpar performance. Me: great ✏ aesthetics ✏

  12. Cliff Eastman
    Cliff Eastman

    While I can get w/ a lot of what was conveyed here, I can’t understand his insistence on referring to the issues w/ these two particular laptops as something that Intel “did”. Intel made those chips, yes. But Asus & Acer put them in those particular laptops, priced, and marketed them how they saw fit - which I agree it’s really questionable putting 35w 4core chips in $1,700 gaming laptops. Those series of decisions aren’t on Intel. Intel has a WHOLE host of issues/problems right now that have been a long time in the making. But blaming Intel for those two laptops he reviewed seems really off - Asus & Acer made those decisions. Ymmv

  13. DuffinThe Muffin
    DuffinThe Muffin
    2 napja

    thank god i bought the legion 5

  14. hmietwne
    2 napja

    Conrad Ricamora

  15. Sanjay Murmu
    Sanjay Murmu
    2 napja

    The level of honestly in this video is too damn high

  16. YOsS
    3 napja

    NO AMD NO BUY !!

  17. Cloud
    3 napja

    100% agree. I was looking for a regular good laptop (non-gaming) and it looks like the market has them terribly price atm. For the price they want i am looking at gaming laptop territory price range and even then they are not worth it atm. However I am exited for AMD to release gaming laptops sometime this year and see how they are. So for now i think waiting is the better option.

  18. Ashutosh Soni
    Ashutosh Soni
    3 napja

    Talk less show more This is your drawback.

  19. UFO Alien
    UFO Alien
    4 napja

    What gaming/game developing laptops would you recommend with a budget a 1500$.

  20. Music
    4 napja

    The good thing about laptop is that they are portable, just build a pc.

  21. Doug R
    Doug R
    4 napja

    so its the INTEL gaming laptop trap

  22. Melchizedek V
    Melchizedek V
    4 napja

    What if I had to choose between asus rog zephyrus g14 ryzen 7 4800hs rtx 1650 asus rog zephyrus g14 ryzen 7 4800hs rtx 1660ti ASUS ROG Zephyrus G14, 14" QHD, Ryzen 9 4900HS, RTX 2060 And ASUS TUF Dash F15 -2021 Which one should I choose Can someone help me out here

  23. Sheogorath
    4 napja

    As soon as I heard "cooler" and "higher performance" I closed all my purchase tabs XD

  24. PGRFN
    5 napja

    Damn I was just looking at the dash f15 and considering getting it ... Guess I can wait

  25. Назар Естаев
    Назар Естаев
    5 napja

    F15 also have low tdp for graphics, ex. laptop strix 3070 have 130 Wt, and F15 - 85 Wt, so perfomanse 40% lower

  26. Anik aher
    Anik aher
    5 napja

    Cool hoodie!

  27. Nickolai Uy
    Nickolai Uy
    6 napja

    how about intel's i5 10500h with 6 cores in the Gigabyte G5?

  28. Indratej Reddy
    Indratej Reddy
    6 napja

    no webcam seriously?

  29. Laavariz Amigo
    Laavariz Amigo
    6 napja

    I really work on my videos😀 Can you ppl view and sub to my channel? It would make my day🙂

  30. Faiq Muyassar Hanief
    Faiq Muyassar Hanief
    7 napja

    damn i just bought this F15 dash laptop and then i fired up youtube this video appears

  31. quirkychic1984
    9 napja

    Thank you, thank you, thank you for this video. I'm indeed in the market for a gaming laptop and I love the looks of the Legion 7i but I will hold off a little bit longer. If there is better and cheaper than yes I want it!!

    1. Nylrak
      7 napja

      I couldn't resist and bought an Acer nitro 5... I should have waited a little bit longer

  32. AurA - Pubg Mobile Comp
    AurA - Pubg Mobile Comp
    9 napja

    I’ve been holding off buying a laptop for 6-7 years because of how trash the laptop/pc market has been.

    1. Nylrak
      7 napja

      I was holding off because I had no money, now I do so I bought the gaming laptop I had an eye keep on for a long time

  33. Time2EAT
    10 napja

    I love that you feel the same way I feel about the new laptops with intel CPUs. I’m waiting for the AMD laptop. Intel got greedy and they are paying the price! AMD caught up in the CPU game! And Definitely they are gaining ground on the GPU side also! I’m not hating on Intel or Nvidia. Actually I’m rooting intel with the XE GPU (Correct me I’m wrong). Why? Because the more options we have as a CONSUMER. THE PRICES WILL BE COMPETITIVE!!! By the end of the day. I want all the GAMERS/CONSUMER to WIN!!! I know it’s all about the money but I think TRUST/HONESTY should be prioritized. 👎🏼 corporate greed

  34. Matthew Stephens
    Matthew Stephens
    10 napja

    I got an omen 15 with a ryzen 7. 800 bucks, happy about it

  35. Rekamniar
    11 napja

    I bought my asus g14 because of Dave Lee

  36. Sadra Saffari
    Sadra Saffari
    11 napja

    Dave, why is ASUS the only manufacturer with 5900hx systems on the market? Isn't it crazy that they released these machines so early?

  37. Shrek
    12 napja

    I got the ASUS TUF Dash F15 (RTX 3060 version) for 1,070 usd, and I'm from Denmark so that's imo a really good deal. Right? Someone please tell me it was a good deal so that I can feel good about myself.

  38. Pillbo Baggins
    Pillbo Baggins
    12 napja

    i ended up getting me a legion 5 with ryzen 7 4800h and 1660ti was only 999 at amazon

    1. Pillbo Baggins
      Pillbo Baggins
      12 napja

      while yes i coulda ordered a 30 series if i waited weeks but i got this next day and love it!

  39. Lloyd van den Bor
    Lloyd van den Bor
    12 napja

    Nice video Dave! Any chance you can make a video comparing upcoming Tiger Lake-H with Alder Lake-H? I am wondering whether I should wait for Alder lake or go with Tiger lake in my new gaming laptop. That would be great!

  40. Ryan Nobil
    Ryan Nobil
    12 napja

    702 dislike are by intel employees and consumers because they are scared of not buying this laptops

  41. Andersen Ong
    Andersen Ong
    12 napja

    u had the chance to call it the gaming laptrap but you chose not to

  42. Born To Sing With The Guitar
    Born To Sing With The Guitar
    13 napja

    who doesnt like stuffs that are pretty?

  43. sagaris g&m
    sagaris g&m
    13 napja

    In my country asus tuf dash f15 cost around 2100$ for rtx 3070 gpu come on 2000$ for 4 core only on "gaming" laptops . I also think that people that buy laptops above 1500$ for gaming only is extremely rare because most people who buy premium laptops will definitely doing other stuff than gaming also 4 cores is this price range is serious problem for productivity or money making stuff .worst of all that even games start to demand a lot of cores if paired with powerfull gpu,i have seen asus tuf dash f15 rtx 3070 have similar frame rate to gtx 1650 ti laptop in some games because the game bottlenecked by cpu cores count

  44. Shawn Diaz
    Shawn Diaz
    14 napja

    5:45 It's almost like they're trying to bring back the 'AMD is clunky gamer silicone and intel is sleek and professional' vibe from 2016 or whenever.

  45. Jisco Tube
    Jisco Tube
    15 napja

    For me it goes for 1375 so should I buy the asus dash F15??

  46. Armada
    15 napja

    Yoga slim 7 ....?

    15 napja

    Okay ive got the tuf dash for 1300 Euros. Only dont have the 240 Hz panel. I think its a good price and for high end gaming i have my pc

  48. Vario_0
    15 napja

    I've almost ordered dash f15 rtx 3060 to replace my legion y530 gtx 1060 ! but in pure curiosity i checked the cpu.... and i was shocked that it rocks 4 cores, I don't know why but i assumed it has as least 6 cores(as mine, 3 yr old i7 laptop does...!) Maybe thats the game they are playing , many people are expecting 6+ cores at this point, and will just order the next gen laptops with new and fancy graphic cards without checking the specs as close as they should! Be aware guys

  49. ParadiseLost
    15 napja

    Can anybody reccomend a good gaming laptop? I wanna save for one, I'll say my budget is 1,500 to 2,000.

  50. Ryswick
    15 napja

    Does any reviewer keep it as real as Dave2D? I love the way he nitpicks, I love his bigger picture takes, and most of all I love the honesty. I must've watched at least fifty videos at this point, haven't ever bought any of the products featured, (although the black friday Helios was a super close one) but I wouldn't trust any reviewer more than Dave2D.

  51. mikenet2006
    16 napja

    This video is really for people who are very particular with minor performance increases. I'm not a fanboy of any laptop or processor, my last laptop is now 7 years old and has an AMD processor. I just bought a Predator Helios 300 17" which is arriving soon and it has an intel processor. Here's my point, as long as the build is strong, and a laptop has the features you want at the price range you can afford, these minor differences in things like wattage won't result in significant frame rate drops in games or vastly change rendering times for videos unless maybe you render videos for a living. These newer computers are far more advanced than anything in the same price range if you go back a couple years. A mid to high-range gaming laptop will generally play any game at high to ultra settings with good frame rates. So to me, this is splitting hairs. I appreciate Dave2D's effort and passion on this topic and understand that some people will disagree so this is just my opinion.

  52. Madi Johnson
    Madi Johnson
    16 napja

    My 6yo HP Omen just died today & I'm looking for a new gaming laptop... I'm glad i wasn't even looking at Intel lol

  53. Warsrogue
    17 napja

    I want to buy a laptop but either it's old models & overpriced or unavailable for newer ones. Alienware has some in stock but it's Intel & extra 400 for Alien head logo.

  54. Wendy Arias
    Wendy Arias
    17 napja

    So what’s a good laptop to play The Sims 4 with no problem and that’s not an arm and a leg?

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    bablu Saini
    17 napja

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  56. Wulf
    17 napja

    Greatest intro in a video ever 😂

  57. parth rajput
    parth rajput
    18 napja

    should i buy rtx 1650 laptop in 2021?

    1. SamAnimations!
      14 napja

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    2. TheRealisticBeaver
      18 napja

      is this a joke good sir

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    Moch eka Bayu p
    18 napja

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  59. Christian P
    Christian P
    18 napja

    Anyone know the song at the end?

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    Lindsey Holland
    19 napja

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  61. Soulaesthete
    19 napja

    I can't imagine paying $1700 for a 4 core, Intel processor. You're absolutely spot on to point out that a laptop is so much more than appealing aesthetics, Dave. Great observation and recommendation.

  62. 1 Keyboard man
    1 Keyboard man
    20 napja


  63. Akshay
    21 napja

    Fuck I hate that asus laptop, it looks so perfect, but they fucked up their cpu 😭 Whyyyyy

  64. chethu azy
    chethu azy
    21 napja

    This video was a life saver for me thanks man👍🏼

  65. Parker Russell
    Parker Russell
    21 napja

    So, either way, unless you NEED a laptop right now, it's best to wait for the next gen AMD stuff to drop.

  66. Aditya Kulshrestha
    Aditya Kulshrestha
    22 napja

    So which one win at the end

  67. D4RK-WYV3RN
    22 napja

    The rog zephyrus g14 is a really good deal.

  68. The Dudelino
    The Dudelino
    22 napja

    Is the new Intel generation still suffering so hard from thermal throttling? I am rocking the Razer Blade which is a beautiful, very powerful machine. But boy does it have issues with heat management.

  69. Pegasus 777
    Pegasus 777
    23 napja

    Please What should I choose?? Lenovo Legion 5 Processor AMD Ryzen 5 4600H (6C / 12T, 3.0 / 4.0GHz, 3MB L2 / 8MB L3) NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 4GB GDDR6 2x 8GB SO-DIMM DDR4-3200 128GB SSD M.2 2242 PCIe NVMe 3.0×4 + 1TB HDD 5400rpm 2.5 ″Screen 15.6″ FHD (1920×1080) IPS 300nits Anti-glare, 144Hz, 100% sRGB, Dolby Vision 1400$ tax included Or Lenovo IdeaPad gaming 3 AMD Ryzen 7 4800H (8C / 16T, 2.9 / 4.2GHz, 4MB L2 / 8MB L3) NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 4GB GDDR6 2x 8GB SO-DIMM DDR4-3200 512 GB SSD PCIe M.2 ″Screen 15.6″ FHD (1920×1080) IPS 250nits 120Hz Free Dos 1200$ tax included

  70. Mollof
    23 napja

    I got scared there a second, I got a new laptop early this year, but it has AMD so I guess I'm good.

  71. Sharon J
    Sharon J
    23 napja

    I play WoW on a desktop. Can't even imagine playing on a laptop.

  72. Marshall
    23 napja

    You're right it doesn't make sense at that price point but it also doesn't make sense for you to compare it to its 6 or 8 core counterparts in a mobile form factor because you can have all the cores in the world and they're useless when the chip thermal throttles. Sure you can spend the same amount of money and get those extra cores that will only compound the issue so what have you gained? Its like buying a Lambo to sit in LA traffic. Sure the car has the ability to go fast but if you're only inching forward every few minutes who cares if your car can do 200+ because suddenly the metric is useless as a basis for comparison. This becomes one of those cases where more ≠ better and what Intel did made perfect sense but where they failed is thinking they could charge a premium for something "lesser" and expect the consumer to understand TDP and why that's not really the case in this given instance.

  73. Drakehammerx
    23 napja

    I like this level of honesty... thanks dave!

  74. earl pido
    earl pido
    24 napja

    as always simple direct and clear no huzz no fuzz

    24 napja

    I got a open box tuf f15 for 1,100 lol, I definitely think I got my money’s worth

  76. Malaysian Man
    Malaysian Man
    24 napja

    Pretty or not is a very subjective matter

  77. Beskmot's Kombat
    Beskmot's Kombat
    25 napja

    Skip to the last 30 seconds of this video, thats what the video is about

  78. MrWearily
    25 napja

    Just got an AMD gaming laptop ordered. I think with how AMD is doing big I'm the scene it will push intel too really put in the work to compete

  79. Richard Cagle
    Richard Cagle
    26 napja

    i like looks too, but if i can 300fps 1440 ultra in warone on a potato. welp. guess im gaming on a potato

  80. Tanya Tsukrova
    Tanya Tsukrova
    26 napja

    Great video, thank you for sharing your opinion on the state of laptops

  81. vaibhav Srivastava
    vaibhav Srivastava
    26 napja

    Thanks dave

  82. Kevin Lasher
    Kevin Lasher
    27 napja

    Sounds like someone up high is trying to offload inferior hardware in higher end machines for more profit, and hoping it will fly under the radar for less tech savvy buyers. Kind of a scummy practice, tbh. I'm glad someone like you can get the word out.

  83. David Grim
    David Grim
    27 napja

    You miss the best reason to get a gaming laptop. You can find them in stock. Good luck finding that graphics card in stock.

  84. Alberto Medina
    Alberto Medina
    27 napja

    Alternative to dash f15?

  85. Liza Israel
    Liza Israel
    27 napja

    thinking of buying a laptop for video editing and heavy files..i am very confuse...please help😭😭

  86. Inepti Replica
    Inepti Replica
    28 napja

    false information...alienware area 51m literally uses a desktop cpu with rtx 3080

  87. Daniel Nygård
    Daniel Nygård
    28 napja

    Dave... please make your own laptop. Just one! Make a "perfect custom"- D2d!

  88. Exmerion
    29 napja


  89. scarecrowbar66
    29 napja

    Not gay, but...

  90. Mr. Yepz
    Mr. Yepz

    Wow, well articulated; at some point in the near future, I'll be getting the best gaming machine I can afford, your review comes off genuine and knowledgeable, and I'm a big dummy when it comes to choosing the right thing, and probably that's what these companies bet on, an uninformed consumer that will fall for aesthetics over functionality, so I'm subscribing! Thank you!

  91. Paul Anders Bullecer
    Paul Anders Bullecer

    How about 2020 intel laptops? I bought one last year. Was it worth it?

  92. Jordan Daivd
    Jordan Daivd

    I have a gaming laptop it is actually really good thi

  93. Andras Libal
    Andras Libal

    Gaming. Laptop. How is that not an oxymoron. If you want to do good quality gaming you buy a desktop. Why would you need to lug around a machine that is powerful enough for gaming ... in a laptop form? Are there huge LAN parties where all the kids show up and need to plug in the Ethernet cable? Maybe I am the only one not invited :)))))

  94. SmallDick StoleYourGirl
    SmallDick StoleYourGirl

    ya but aren't the new amd gaming labtops going to be expensive as fuck ?


    What laptop should i buy then for like 1000€

  96. H Muller
    H Muller

    First video watcher - I'm sub'd now. Good vid.



  98. Patrick Maloney
    Patrick Maloney

    It's TongFang or nothing for me.

  99. Matthew Rease
    Matthew Rease

    How do you feel about Lenovo Legion machines? I got the Y740 in late 2019, but it's hard for me to be objective, because it's the best computer I've ever owned, period. The second best machine I have, is a 600$ 2013 HP desktop, average AMD consumer PC. Only good thing about it, is the GTX 970 I put inside it.

  100. Зубър че
    Зубър че

    i have a legion 5i and it's very good.